Peggy (Ward) Maas
In 1963, my eldest daughter, Dianne move to Elk Point and started working in the kitchen at the hospital. Dianne had never been away from home and became very home sick. At that point she decided to get me a job and have the whole family move. In 1964 Ida Aarbo hired me to also work in the hospital kitchen. In a few weeks I developed an allergy to the dish soap and could no longer continue there. At that point Dr. Weigerinek suggested I go up stairs to work in the nursing
department I was overwhelmed and told the doctor I didn’t even know how to read a thermometer. She assured me everything would be just fine and she would
help me. Help me she did, God bless her soul. She made sure everyone was aware of the situation and was always there giving me the encouragement it needed. The nurses soon all became part of my family and I loved being at work. Some times I could hardly wait for my days off to end. Dr. K.C. Miller was also a very important part of my career at the Elk Point Hospital. He to guided and encourage me to be positive and keep going. There were lots of fun times at work. Buzzy was one of the best nurses there was. I’m sure she knew more than some of the doctors. Liz White and Diana Anderson were always coming up with some joke to pull on someone. Liz was an awesome nurse and I was never afraid working with her. She was always willing to work right with us. On our night shifts we would all work together, get our work done then play cards and visit When my granddaughter, Jackie graduated from nursing school and came to work
in the Elk Point Hospital, I was working with her on her first night shift Around two in the morning the door bell rang. We admitted this 200 lb patient and when
everything settled I went to do rounds. All of a sudden a piercing scream comes for the new patients room - GRAMA come quick. I’m sure she woke everyone in the hospital up. I’m so glad I had the opportunity to share this part of my life with Jackie. There were many wonderful times at the Elk Point Hospital. I loved mv job and if I could, I would do it all over again.
Amelia (Pankow) Jasinsky
I am Amelia (Pankow) Jasinsky and have a long standing history with the Elk Point Hospital. I am the fourth oldest daughter of John and Rose Pankow. My Mom was well known as she worked in the laundry department for many, many years. I was the first of my family of six children to be bom in the hospital. My sisters Olga, Alice and Victoria were bom at home and my sister Florence and brother Alo were bom in the hospital. I was bom in 1944 and those being the war years the hospital did not keep our birth records. I went to the King George School in grade one and from grade two on I continued my education in Elk Point. When I was in grade nine Mrs. Olsen hired me to work part time in the diet kitchen. I worked after school and on weekends in the kitchen washing dishes and setting up trays. The fun part was sending the trays on the lift from the basement to the main floor where the nursing staff then took the trays to the patients. I treasure many great memories of firn filled hours working with some of the greatest staff members. After graduation from the F. G. Miller High School I took my L.P.N. training in Edmonton. I graduated from the L.P.N. program in March of 1966 and worked at St. Mary’s Hospital in Camrose until the spring of 1967.1 then moved
back to Elk Point and worked as an L.P.N. for a short period of time. From 1968 to 1976 I worked at the University Hospital in obstetrics, nursery, urology and pediatrics.
I met my husband (Dennis Jasinsky) in 1968 and we got married on June 5/1971. We have two children; our son Denis bom in 1974 and our daughter Jennifer bom in 1976 at the Royal Alex Hospital in Edmonton. In April of 1976 my parents moved into town off the farm and Dennis and I took up farming for a short period of time. Dennis farmed and worked for Mike Habiak as a mechanic and I worked part time at the hospital. We found the stress and long hours of the jobs to demanding so we gave up farming and bought a house in Riverview where we resided until the early 1990’s.We then bought an acreage and built a house south of Elk Point. In 1997 when the children left home we sold the acreage and moved into town were we currently reside. I worked at the Elk Point hospital as a unit clerk from 1976 until 1998. In Oct. of 1998 I resigned from my position of unit clerk and worked as a program assistant at the Elk Point Health Unit. In Oct./1999 I had my 35 years of service with the Regional Health Authorities so I took early retirement at age 55. Our children are married : Denis, Indra and daughter Anna
live in Field , B.C. and Jennifer, Ken and children Kennth Christian (K.C.), Alexandria Rose (Alli), Victoria Susan (Tori),and new baby on the way, live on an acreage outside of Lloydminster. I’d like to say to each Doctor, staff members and patients a special thanks. It has been an honour and a priviledge to work with
each and everyone of you. God Bless.
NANCY (KALYNCHUK) FOSSEN
When I left Elk Point in 19471 started work at Provost Hospital in Provost, Alberta. This is where I met my future husband, Harvey Fossen. He is the son of a farmer by Cadogan, which is about 13 miles from Provost. Harvey & I were married in October of 1950. After a couple of years of moving and living here & there, we settled on the farm with Harvey’s parents where Harvey & his Dad ran the farm. On February 26, 1952 our daughter, Cheryl was born. Following, on September 15,1954 our second daughter, Lois was born. Sadly, in November of 1956 we lost Harvey’s Mom, Maggie to diabetes. Dad stayed on the farm for a while and eventually took up residence in the town of Cadogan. On December 13, 1956, our son Deane was born. We raised our children & worked the farm, where we built a new house, bam, machine shed; planted trees and overall modernized the place. In the spring of 1975 we had to decide whether to expand the farm or sell. We decided to retire and sell. We moved to Chilliwack, B.C. Over the years, the kids took up their careers, married & had children. Cheryl is married to Terry Soroka. They live in Boyle, Alberta and have 2 children, Terra (married to Ryan Lockhart) and Ryan (single). No grandchildren yet. Cheryl works as a nurse in Boyle hospital and Terry is a truck driver. Lois married Daryl Blume. They have 2 daughters, Jodi & Tasha. Sadly, in 1991 Daryl died of cancer. He used to work the rigs and changed his career to do ceramic tile setting. Lois lives in and works for The City of Camrose. Her partner in life, Ed Carbonneau, brought 2 sons, Shane & Ronson. Jodi has 3 kids, Maggie, Daryl & Jeffrey and is married to Chris Ball. Tasha has 2 kids, Olivia and Michael and is married to Paul
Stremel. Shane and his partner, Tammy have 2 kids, Cordelle & Zander. Ronson is married to Megan and no kids yet Ed is a truck driver. Our son, Deane married Theresa Kloster (his high school sweetheart). Deane started his career in the Treasury Branch in Provost. They have 3 daughters. Callista, Deanna and
April. Callista is married to Kevin Baska and they have 2 daughters, Cassandra & Kaitlyn. Deanna is married to Stuart Weber and have one little angel, Seandra. April lives in Vancouver and has one son, Logan. In September of 2002, Harvey and I had to go through what no parent wants to. We lost our beloved son to cancer. At that point in time Deane was district manager of southern Alberta and taking courses to advance his carrer in the ATB. Theresa lives in Sherwood Park, Alberta.
Over the years, Harvey & I moved from our house in Chilliwack to a town house in Vernon. From there we moved to Sicamous and then on to a condo at Holiday Park by Winfield, B.C. We finally settled in an adult community in Camrose, Alberta. We moved from our duplex and now reside in a condo by Mirror Lake in Camrose. We enjoy the community lifestyle, where we participate in dinners, cards and coffee time. Harvey enjoys his daily walks by the lake. I enjoy puzzles and we both like to read and watch curling etc. on T.V. Our children, grandchildren and great grandchildren drop by often.
LIFE IS GOOD.
Victoria (Pankow) Cardinal
I am Victoria (Pankow) Cardinal and I worked at the hospital a long time ago. I am the third oldest daughter of John and Rose Pankow. I was the last of my siblings to be bom at home. I was bom in April/1942. I started school at King George until grade three, then we were bussed to Elk Point I started working at the hospital when I was fifteen years old working in the kitchen part time after school. I later worked as a ward aide. In 1962 I graduated from the L.P.N. program in Edmonton. I got married in 1964 to Jim Young and we moved to Edmonton where I worked at the Royal Alex Hospital. First as an L.P.N. then as a unit clerk. That is pretty much my nursing history. In 1972 Jim and I owned and operated the Elk Point Hotel. We parted ways in 198l and I took a hairdressing course. I was also working at K Mart at that time part time. After graduating from hairdressing I had health issues so I went to work at K Mart/Zellers .I married my Ernie Cardinal in 1987 and we reside in Edmonton. I retired in 2007 and am currently enjoying my retirement
Barb (Goranson) Yopyk
I took my training to become a nurse in Fort William, Ontario (Fort William joined with Port Arthur & this is now known as Thunder Bay). I graduated as an R.N. in
1969. I wanted to work in a Pediatric hospital & I had applied to Children’s Hospital in both Winnipeg & Toronto. Winnipeg Children’s Hospital was the first to reply back & my career as a new graduated R.N. began. This decision was actually better as I came from Moose Jaw, Saskatchewan & working & residing in Manitoba meant that I would be closer to home to go to visit. worked at the Children’s Hospital for 5 years. It was a challenge to learn the different levels of doctors from junior intern right up to the chief of staff Doctor. I had trained in a much smaller center where the R.N. was to use the standing orders before calling the Doctor. This was a wonderful experience for me as all departments were totally geared to the welfare of children’s health. Next I decided to head closer to home & applied to work on a children’s ward at the University Hospital of Edmonton. I had a girl friend that was living in Edmonton. I worked on Station 38, caring for young babies up to the age of one. Both of these hospitals gave me a wealth of knowledge & experience. It was during my career in Edmonton that I met my future husband. In October 19801 got married to a farmer & began my life on a farm in the Elk Point rural area. I decided that I should look for work in the New Year. News of a new nurse residing in a rural area travels quickly in a small community & I received a phone call to come for an interview. In early November I decided to go to see what the hospital was like & this is when my longest nursing employment began. Rural nursing is very different than the big city. My adventure with nursing continued & many new challenges were met along the way, as I had not worked with adults for quite some time. Over the years I gained a lot of different experiences & also enjoyed the family atmosphere that rural nursing offers. My career came to an end in 2006 due to a back injury & I realized that quality of life is more important than working. I had not planned to stop working at this time. I am now a full-fledged Baba & my granddaughter Jayci keeps me young. She is a busy little girl & chatters continuously. She will turn 2 in May 2008. As everyone knows that grand children are the highlight of grand parents lives.
I am looking forward to seeing & visiting the staff that I have worked with. Too all nurses wishing you the best in your future endeavors.
Fond Memories of working at Elk Point Hospital
Peggy Maas was one of the staff that I worked with on my first day. She invited me to her home one evening and introduce me to her family. I was nervous but I
went anyway. She took me everywhere she was going to meet her friends and to hockey games which I did not understand. She told me one evening her baby
was playing hockey I thought it was one of her little grandson when I got to the arena I found out it was her nearly 18 yr old son. Peggy and I was working one evening and she did something silly I can’t recall what but I told her she will have to get on her knees and pray. She knelt down and fold her hands ready to pray. Who walked in on us was Dr Miller he looked at us shook his head laughed and left.I thought we were going to get in trouble Dr Miller sat me down one day and tried to put an old pair of big heavy cowboy boots on me when he did get them I stood up and tried to walk but couldn’t and him and Peggy laughing at me falling down each time I tried to walk. Elk Point a small town but there are a lot of kind loving people.
Miss Maud (Nesta) Lloyd from the Rhondda, South Wales
emigrated to Canada in 1958. She came in September to work for two years only at the Elk Point hospital. She later met John Evtushevski who had emigrated 20 years earlier from Poland. They married August 19, 1960. They had two daughters Jane and Margaret. Maud later returned to work for two years between 1963
and 1964. She presently resides at the Heritage Lodge in Elk Point.
Catherine (Maguire) McCormack
I, Catherine McCormack (nee Maguire), was bom, raised, and took my schooling in Ireland. After school I decided to go into Nursing. My sister, Margaret, and I
applied to the nursing school in Ireland but the schools were full. There was a year’s waiting list so we decided to go to London, England which we did. There
we took 3 years of training in General Nursing. It was a lot of studying, hard work, challenging but rewarding. We had many lectures, exams—written, oral and
practical. Finally we made our final exams and passed; then we could add SRN (State Registered Nurse) after our name, but we wanted more training and the
challenge was on. We took Diplomas in Tuberculosis Nursing, Hearts, Polio and Midwifery. Each one brought a different challenge, more hard work and many,
many exams. After years of training we finally made it; now we could add another 6 letters after our name. We decided adventure was next, time to relax after studying those years, so we looked through the Nursing Mirror and Nursing Times. We decided on Canada and picked Elk Point. I don’t know why, maybe fate; anyhow we arrived in Elk Point after a very long journey. I wasn’t very impressed so I left my bags inside the door in my room which was in the basement below the wards. I was tired and decided I would sleep and head out the next morning. After a night’s sleep and some breakfast, things didn’t seem so bad. I decided to give it a year as I wasn’t a quitter. Alas I stayed close to 314 years and really enjoyed my stay there. During this time I met a nice young fellow, Eamon McCormack, from Clandonald who I dated. After 314 years I decided to give in my resignation and went back to Ireland for a holiday. While there my sister, Elizabeth, and I decided to take a tour—England, France, Italy, Belgium, Germany, Austria and Switzerland. We had the holiday of a lifetime, then back to Ireland for a few weeks. I missed Eamon and so I came back to Canada. I went to work in Islay Hospital. For those who don’t know where Islay is, it is about half way between Vermilion and Lloydminster. The hospital looked like a big square house, small but very active. We had the New Year’s baby 3 years beating out Vermilion and Lloydminster. We were proud of that. Eamon and I continued dating and in 1967 we were married. We had a honeymoon to Peace River to visit friends of the McCormacks. Tell the young ones of today—you had a honeymoon to Peace River when now the sky is the limit. We enjoyed our holiday and then it was back to work, Eamon farming and me nursing in Islay Hospital. Unfortunately we were not blessed with a family. In 1992 I retired from nursing and in 1993 we sold our farm and bought a house in Vermilion where we still reside. Everything wasn’t rosy all those years; my sister, Margaret, passed away in 1979 in the Elk Point Hospital and Eamon and I lost several family members as well as friends. Life must go on and I was pleased when I received the phone call about the reunion. It is a great idea and I would like to thank the ladies for organizing it. Thank you ladies. God Bless. Love you all.
One evening, an outpatient came in to see the Doctor. I had to fill out the form, name?, Mr. X, address?, Mallaig. What is your address? Mallaig, he answered.
I thought it must be my Irish accent, so I said maybe it’s your leg but could I have your address please. He said my address is Mallaig. Who felt more stupid?
Then one day a patient was admitted. When I was going through the chart I noticed his occupation was a cat skinner. I thought who would want to skin cats
for a living and I said to the girls at the desk, what kind of a job is skinning cats. They looked surprised and said I don’t know, why? I said this patient’s
occupation is a cat skinner. They laughed and laughed and I think it was Ann Uchman who said he doesn’t skin cats. She explained about this machine and
the operator was a cat skinner. ---------- The hospital bonspiels were always a lot of fun. Barry Keck picked my name out of the hat once but Ed Soldon was so unlucky he pulled my name out all the time. The game was explained—rock, broom, hack, hog line, etc. etc. So it was time for the big game. I crouched down into the hack, eyed the far side of the rink and heaved with all my might. It didn’t even get over the hog line, on the side I was throwing from. We had a lot of fun and Ed always explained the shots was going to make; throw the rock through that porthole, hit the opposition’s rock, chip the one on the right and sta^ghtr- Ed, it was as clear as mud to me. The team did win trophies. I was very proud of my little trophy and I thought, gee, I’m on my way to the Brier. One day after curling I was rubbing my arm at the desk and Dr. KC said, Catherine, have you a sore arm. I said it’s a bit stiff from sweeping. He said sweeping—you just tickle the ice.
Another time I was doing charts at the desk. Paul came up and said, Catherine, that child in there is eating a chocolate bar. I said Paul what are you talking
about? He said come and see so we walked to the door and remember the doors to the children’s ward had little windows. I looked in, the child was standing in the crib, sure enough eating. I said Paul that’s not a chocolate bar, that’s poop! Well, I bet it didn’t take Paul two strides to get to the bathroom. I think I had better say no more.
Lab & X-Ray Technician 1971-1974
I worked as a Lab & X-Ray Technician at the Elk Point Municipal Hospital from 1971- 1974.I then moved to Macklin, married, had 2 children/ Austin & Farah) and worked at St. Joseph’s Hospital for about 7 years. My career then took me to Provost Municipal Hospital. In 1975 I remarried and retired to a Dairy farm and Ranch with my husband Allan Smithson. When I say retired, I mean from the medical profession. The next 20 years was spent farming ranching and dairying. In 2004 we sold out and moved to Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, where we now reside. I enjoy quilting, training my 3 toy poodles and traveling in our trailer.
Biography - Betty Radies
I loved working at the Elk Point Hospital in the laundry with Alice Krawchuk and Rose Pankiw. Alice and Harry Krawchuk were so good to me. I remember when I first started working there, I wore an unfit shoe for work as it was all I had. Alice and Harry returned from Edmonton with a pair of beige flat heeled shoes for me to work in. We all worked together like a family. I worked in both the kitchen and laundry. Doris Capjack was the head cook. She was very good to me. It was a pleasurable time in my life working there.
Elk Point Hospital Staff Reunion Biography - Judy Bowie
After leaving Elk Point in 1981, our family spent a few months in Leduc while Jack continued to work for the government building bridges all over the province. He left that work in 1982 and we bought a small comer store in Ponoka (Jack’s hometownl) which we ran for five years before selling. It was a steep learning curve, as neither of us had ever had ever had a business before. Like farming, it was necessary for one of us to work at an outside job. and the general hospital in Ponoka was just down the street. We lived above the store, so the kids were a great help - sometimes willing, sometimes not - but they never had to look for work and the treats were really handy©. After selling the store. Jack worked for the Town of Ponoka for a few years and 1 continued at the hospital until 1998. During the “cutback years of the 90’s", I decided to finish my BScN and as one of my practicums involved teaching in the clinical setting. I truly loved it and so joined the teaching department at Red Deer College in 1999. I have been there ever since, teaching in both the RN and LPN programs offered at the college. We were “encouraged” by the college to have a bit more education, so in I completed my MN in 2006. No more school for me, unless it involves something I can do in retirement (only 3 years away!). Our kids are all married with families, some close by and others farther away. Grant and his wife Julia live in Dawson Creek, BC with their 3 daughters, ages 15,13 & 9. Cheryl and her husband Gerry live in Red Deer with their son and daughter, ages 18 & 16. Jason & his wife Tanya live in Fairview with their 3 boys, ages 11, 9, & 7, and Tavis and Debra are in Drayton Valley. Jack & I do “Travel Alberta” to visit with everyone, and we generally have a huge “Family Week" at our acreage in the summer when everyone is at home at once. Lots of stories come out about what really went on as the kids were growing up in Elk Point!
Looking forward to seeing everyone at the reunion, I have so many good (and funny) memories of the great people at the hospital and in the town during the five years we spent there. Thanks for organizing this event!
Bonnie (Hoard) Thomas
Thank you for the notice of the Elk Point Hospital staff reunion-my sister Julie Boyko forwarded it to me. I worked at EP Hospital from 1964-68, after school and
on weekends. Walter Saranchuck (the administrator then) gave me a job and Mrs. Aarbo was my boss. I worked washing dishes, floors, stairs, stoves, and
anything else that didn’t get up and run away. Mrs. Aarbo,’ Gidget’ McGinnis and Mrs. Livingstone were there and kept a close eye on the teenaged cleaning
staff. It was fun! On weekends we worked a split-shift, so if we had been out late on Friday and/or Saturday night, we had time between lunch dishes and supper
work to catch a nap. (As kids, we didn’t need much recovery time). Viola Kepke -my best friend’s Mom, worked there and lived in the staff residence, so I knew
I had someone to go to for advice. And I knew she was a good friend of my Mom, so I didn’t get far out of line. Living in the staff residence was a good experience and the older ‘girls ‘ looked out for us younger ones. I left in 1968 to train at the Royal Alex and have lived and worked in Edmonton ever since I graduated in 1971.
I have 2 kids-Jason -26yr. and Heather-23 yr. and they live on their own in Edmonton as well. I am still working-1 am at the Glenrose Rehabilitation Hospital
and have been there since 1986. Before that, I nursed at the RAH. Over the years, I have nursed quite a few people from home and it is always nice to catch up.
Am looking forward to seeing you all in June.
Loretta Aarbo Pinder
The fall of 19621 started my nursing career at the Royal Alexandra Hospital as a student nurse and I graduated in September 1965.1 started employment at the Elk Point Municipal Hospital in September 1965. I married George Pinder June 12,1965 and children were bom to us: James Harold September 10, 1966, Sherry Dee November 3, 1967 and Joni Aldona October 31, 1969. I worked part time in Elk Point until I felt I needed more education so I joined the St. Therese
Hospital Staff for one year taking a heart monitoring course as well as working on the second floor which at that time housed the surgical ward, obstetrics and intensive care unit. The heart monitoring course was set up by Dr. Woytiuk of St Paul under the guidance of Dr. Black at the Royal Alexandra Hospital in Edmonton.
In 19791 was asked by Lois Sorgen to join the Coordinated Home Care Program. I worked with Home Care until 1987 when I continued to work for the Elk Point Health Centre until my retirement at 55 years of age in September 1998. Retirement has been nice with occasional casual employment at the Elk Point Health Centre in long term care, caring for my grandchildren, Tristan and Aldana, and gardening. Tristan and Aldana are the children of my son James and his
wife Angie. These children are the “light of my life”. James and Angie are successful at work and are perfect parents. Sherry works as a private nurse in Vancouver, enjoys travelling and loves to come home every month to spoil Tristan and Adana ! Joni works at the Grey Nuns Hospital in Edmonton in the operating room and is married to Colin Kupka. They are expecting their first child anytime now so I shall be a grandma again ! Both my girls graduated from nursing from the Royal Alexandra Hospital School of Nursing. I am proud of my children and their spouses. Art, especially watercolour painting has also been a passion in my life. I’m presently working on a painting of my father Jens Aarbo. George, my husband, has always been my great passion and helpmate. Family are my treasure and my career is my pride.
September 11, 1998.
Tribute to Loretta Pinder Upon Her Retirement.
When I was asked to say a few words about Loretta and her nursing career, I was a bit hesitant. And then, after thinking about it, I realized that no one else knows her better than I do. Our paths have crossed time and rime again. We attended school together, all twelve grades, in fact she stole my boyfriend in grade two and I still haven’t completely forgiven her for that. We entered nursing school in 1962.1 went to the Misericordia Hospital and Loretta went to the Royal Alexandra Hospital, both in Edmonton. We graduated in 1965 - thirty-three years ago. The only difference between us is that she is older than I am - a whole six months. Loretta has worked in several areas of nursing. She has been a staff nurse in Elk Point longer than any of us - this last time around since 1982, and has also woked at St. Therese Hospital in St. Paul. Loretta helped set up the Home Care program in Elk Point and worked here as as a Community Care nurse. All the adjectives that describe a good nurse suit Loretta - compassionate, thorough, and professional. But as I thought about her, I realized that she has some unique and special qualities. Today we hear a lot about the importance of being patient advocates. Loretta has always done this. If she
feels that a patient needs special attention, she will go to bat for the patient 100%. I personally know of a patient who is alive and well today because of Loretta. In this case, she phoned the doctor and said,” I want this patient sent to Edmonton now”. I remember this very well because I went with this patient on the ambulance now I Loretta calls a spade a spade. Staff working with her know who the boss is. They also know they will be treated fairly and they can depend on their boss. Loretta is very easy to talk to and staff can talk to her about their personal troubles. She has taken some of our young nursing staff
“under her wing”. They tell me that they respect her and that they will miss her. Nursing is a challenging and demanding profession and sometimes takes all of our energy. It’s very important to have other interests. Loretta has done this. She has been taking art art classes at the University of Alberta for a few years now and has become an accomplished artist. We may all be buying works of art from Loretta in the future !
Throughout our years together, it has been obvious that Loretta’s family comes first. And this is also something that we all need to remember. Loretta has often confessed to loving and spoiling her kids to “pieces” and I’m sure that includes George and Angie. We know that the new grandchild is going to be loved to pieces also. Another quality that I admire is Loretta’s professionalism. She looks like a nurse should look. Her hair is always done and she is always well-groomed. You could say she adds a “touch of glamour” to nursing. Loretta likes to have fun - so we can talk about another attribute, her wiggle - no one quite
wiggles like she does. A few of us have tried, but we just couldn’t get it right. We had a contest to find someone with that special little wiggle. People from all over the world entered the contest The Lakeland Health Region said that money was no problem - find that person. I personally interviewed the winner in New York last Wednesday. She was having bad hair day, but the wiggle was perfect. She’s here with us today - Enter Polly. Years ago when Loretta and I worked Christmas we wondered if the time would ever come when we would never have to work Christmas or New Years or Easter ever again. Well, that time has
come. Enjoy your time off and we will look forward to you coming back on a casual basis. And one more thing, Loretta’s daughters have followed in her footsteps. They are both registered nurses. That has to be the greatest compiment of all . Love, Lil.